Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Lyle Denham's avatar

You are getting a little to close to Pelagianism I think.

We are born in sin. Maybe not guilty until we sin but no free will not to sin.

Marpy Hayse's avatar

Here's something for consideration.

The whole original sin debate hinges on the Greek phrase **"eph ho pantes hemarton"** (ἐφ᾽ ᾧ πάντες ἥμαρτον) in Romans 5:12.

The crux of the matter lies in the last clause of the verse, "eph ho pantes hemarton" which is usually translated "because all [men] sinned" (RSV, NAS, NIV). But the phrase "epi ho" translated "because" in most, if not all, English translations at the end of Romans 5:12 is misleading. The phrase, he argued, should be translated "upon which".

Here's the difference:

- Augustine's interpretation (via Jerome's mistranslation): "**in whom** all sinned" (making Adam the agent)

- Most modern translations: "**because** all sinned" (individual responsibility)

- Some Greek scholars: "**upon which** all sinned" (death as the foundation)

There are several translation and interpretive issues that make this passage a shaky support indeed for the concept of imputed guilt &/or an inherited sin nature, i.e. the doctrine of Original Sin... the Greek text is vague with several conclusions possible.

Actually, the Greek phrase 'eph ho pantes hemarton' is far more ambiguous than Augustine's doctrine suggests. Even Greek scholars today debate whether it means 'because,' 'upon which,' or something else entirely. Building centuries of guilt-based theology on what Greek experts call 'vague with several conclusions possible' seems... premature."

19 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?